Status: U Return-Path: Received: from web5201.mail.yahoo.com ([216.115.106.95]) by tyner.mail.mindspring.net (Mindspring Mail Service) with SMTP id t7ivk5.aml.37kbi5q for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 10:19:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010201151928.18676.qmail@web5201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.163.213.67] by web5201.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 01 Feb 2001 07:19:28 PST Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 07:19:28 -0800 (PST) From: MPCgram Subject: MPC Gram 242 To: mpcgram@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ==================================================== MPC Gram ==================================================== Covering the Entire World of Military Numismatics ---------------------------------------------------- Series 002-Number 242 Thurski 1 February 2001 New Research on Victory Notes by Larry "Ski" Smulczenski During the week between Christmas and New Years, I got a phone call from Fred asking what I knew about plate letters on the Philippine Victory notes. John Boise had called Fred asking him some technical questions about the printing of Victory notes. Fred was able to answer some, for others he wanted consultation. The Philippine Victory notes have a small capital letter followed by a small number in the lower right corner of the note. The letter denotes the position on the original sheet where the note was printed, i.e. "A" in the upper left position, "B" in the second position on the left etc. This was explained in Neil Shafer's book Guidebook of Philippine Paper Money which told us that there were 10 Victory notes printed on a sheet in a two across by five down format. This means that the note in the bottom right corner of the sheet would have the letter "J.” You can draw yourself a picture if you want-- ABCDE on the left and F at the top of the second column next to the A followed by the GHI and J. A F B G C H D I E J The little number after the letter is the plate number of the master plate that produced the individual plates on the 10 note printing plate. Fred's inquiry triggered something in the deep dark recesses of my mind. I remembered winning an auction lot when I was in the Philippines that contained about a hundred well circulated 20 peso Victory notes. I bought it because it had some replacements buried among the notes. I pulled the replacements out, sold them and stuck the remaining notes in a box. That was years ago, so I searched my mind trying to figure out where those notes were. This is a common occurrence in our house. I usually put something in a special spot, so it doesn't get lost then I spend hours looking for that spot when I want to retrieve that item. This was especially challenging since years had passed since I last saw these notes. Lo and behold, I found them in a box in a closet after a couple of hours searching. A quick check of the letters disclosed that there were examples of all letters, A through J. That night, I sat down and separated the notes into piles by the plate position letter. I had between seven and 13 notes in each pile. I then took each pile and arranged the plate numbers in ascending order. I found that for each position letter the highest plate number was between 10 and 13. After that I looked at the serial numbers to see if there was any pattern. To say that the results were less than encouraging would be a gross overstatement--they bounced all over the place. With the relatively small number of notes that we had in our sample, we did not have each plate number for each position letter, but still it seemed logical to conclude that there was 13 plates used with the 20 Peso Victory note and each position letter could be found with all 13 plate numbers. The sample of serial number to plate number however was way too small and the data needs to be seriously expanded before any real conclusions can be made. Personally, I doubt that we will find any relationship between the plate number and the serial number. I continued to look at the pile of notes. I separated the notes with the position letter A and laid them out on the table, a total of 15 notes with plate numbers 1 through 5 and 7 through 11, missing only the 6, 12 and 13 if my hypothesis mentioned above holds true. I looked at all combinations of the notes, rearranging them sequentially so the serial numbers were in ascending order. I still saw nothing. Frustrated, I gathered them up and sat back holding the small pile of position letter A's in my hand and began leafing through them so the serial numbers "ran" before my eyes. What secret were these notes hiding? As I continued to flip through these notes, something did catch my eye. Every note, all 15 of them, had a "0" as the fifth digit from the left, i.e. Fxxxx0xxx. I sat up straight in my chair and stumbled over myself as I reached for the remaining pile of notes. I separated the B plate position notes from the pile and flipped through them. A "1" appeared in that fifth position from the left, Fxxxx1xxx. The same was true for the rest of the pile, C had a "2," D had a "3," E had a "4," right through to the J which had a "9" in that position. I sat back to think about it. What that had to be telling us was that the sheets of 10 notes were numbered 1000 sheets at a time. The A position had to start the numbering with F00000001, position B numbered F00001001, position C numbered F00002001 etc. on the first sheet. The second sheet would have a 2 as the last digit of the serial number. This would continue right through sheet 999. What happens with sheet 1000 is a question left unresolved. If the Bureau continued to number past 999 that "0" in the fifth position of the serial number of the A note would have to change to a "1." That serial numbers were already printed in the B position. The same would be true for all the rest of the plate positions, that would have to advance by one number. By numbering 1000 sheets at a time, the second run simply would step the position 4 digit to a "1" and start with serial number F00010001 in the A position. I therefore conclude that the first four digits of the serial number plus one will tell you what run the sheet of notes was numbered on. I ran to get my collection of Philippine Victory notes and any duplicates I could find. I was disappointed when I found some anomalies, but a closer examination revealed that those notes that did n ot meet the proposed theory were either replacements or were notes with scarcer signature combinations. All the notes that I had worked with were of the common Osmena-Hernandez signature combination. My proposed theory works for all values of Victory notes and Central Bank overprints on Victory notes. So we must establish the following two ground rules. 1. The Victory/Central Bank Overprint notes have a Osmena- Hernandez signature combination and 2. The note is not a replacement. Fred believes that the replacements were numbered in runs of 500 sheets. We checked all the notes we could find at FUN, and the above holds true but our sample size of replacements and the scarcer Osmena-Guevara or Roxas-Guevara signature combinations are very small. This information is still very preliminary. Many questions still need to be answered. You have seen a few of the them like What happens on the 1000th sheet? Does anyone have a note that ends in three zeros? Can we get more replacement and scarce signature serial numbers so we can look at those numbering sequences? Is there an association between SN and plate position? How many plates were used on the 1 peso, 2 peso, 5 peso etc. We need your inputs. Send us information on your Victory or Central Bank overprint Victory notes; include denomination, serial number, position letter and plate number, and signature combination. Send your inputs to skifla@prodigy.net or the Gram Follow up on Camp Reynolds by Fred Schwan Yesterday after finishing the marathon discussion of Camp Reynolds POW chits, I made a few, well two, more discovereis. First, the booklet contained 1 cent chits too, but I do not have any. The other item is more interesting. As you know, the bottom chit of a strip has a straight edge. This is a well-known but minor variety. In studying these chits I found that I have some of these from the bottom of a strip. In the margin below the counter on the right is the denomination in small type. Obviously, this additional denomination facilitated use of full booklets. I could not remember ever seeing this variety so I called chithead Ski and asked him. He did not recall seeing this variety, but checked his collection. There he found some chits with the "extra" denomination. Not surprisingly, his was also an Allison chit. Therefore we can tentatively conclude that this was an Allison "enhancement." ==================================================== Editorial ---------------------------------------------------- Based upon yesterday’s gram, today’s ski report, and Dennis Earl's letter below, there seems to be a theme emerging about over “40” collectors losing and finding things! Also, after reading the ski report, I could not help thinking that Doug Bell will love this new analysis. For 1 peso notes alone, he will need 130 pieces (13 plates x 10 positions)!! =================================================== Mail Call --------------------------------------------------- Dear Gram, Well, as usual, I enjoyed reading the "GRAM"!! You mentioned that you were starting to collect the "British Armed Forces Special Voucher," 1 pound, Second Series Notes.(Watermarked variety with metal thread) I also understand that you are trying to obtain prefix numbers AA over 1 through AA over 10 and presently you have the following: AA over 5 / AA over 7/ AA over 8. Although it is my only one, I would be willing to trade you my "British Armed Forces Special Voucher," 1 Pound, Second Series Note, with the Watermark & metal thread. The prefix number is AA over 9 and the rest of the serial number is: 956959. Are you interested?? If so, I will even scan it for you to see and then, if you still want it (It is, of course, in "CU" condition!) I will then trade with you!! Again, if you are interested in it, please tell me what World Coins, World Paper money, and Tokens of any kind that you have and would be willing to collect!! My interests are as follows: World Coin Sets, German Notgeld Paper money, Philippine Guerrilla Money, Chinese Gold Unit Notes, JIM Notes, Inflationary Money of Yugoslavia (1993), Croatia-Serbian (1993), and Hungary (1946), Canadian Tire Notes, Russian Rouble of the Czar, Bi-metallic Coins, Old Coins & Notes of Prussia, Empire of Germany, Third Reich of Germany, Coins of Weimar Republic of Germany, and Nazi Occupation Coins of Belgium, World Coins (I have 410 different countries out of 1,900 coins), Wooden Nickels, Tokens (The following categories: Arcade, Transportation, Car Wash, Food, "Good Fors," Children's Play money, Casino Chips, Medals & Medallions of Mardi Gra, Famous Sites, Famous People, States & Cities, Sun Slammers, Sales Tax, State Tax, Coat Tokens, Civil War and Public Bathroom Tokens), Maui Trade Dollars & Hawaiian Souvenir Metals, World Sunken Treasure Notes & Coins, and any World War II Coins & Notes with good histories!! Before I scare you off, I must explain why I collect so many things!! To make it short and brief....after serving our country with 22 years in the Navy, I was Medically Retired. Well, I started to collect World Coins when I first went into the Navy in 1967 but, I then stopped because my job was abit stressful. I now collect all the above mentioned items just to keep my mind busy or I will again start thinking about sui....well, you know! Sorry for me writing a major motion picture!! I am very low on the following of the above items: Transportation Tokens, Tax tokens, German Notgeld Paper money, Philippine Guerilla money, some Jim Notes, Civil War tokens, Chinese Gold Unit Notes, Bi-metallic Coins, and Maui Trade Dollars!! (I also DO NOT HAVE the U.S.Token Catalogs, World Paper money Catalogs, and I DO have the 1999 Edition of the "Krause World coin Catalog" and the 19th Century "Krause World Coin Catalog," too!! Please write soon! John T. B. Dear Gram, I too was searching through an accumulation of papers and envelopes and came up with a booklet from WW1. The front cover has a serial number, a smiling "Doughboy" with his hat, a $1.00 denomination and "SMILAGE BOOK" in an arc across the middle of the cover. It states that this was printed for the WAR DEPARTMENT by the GLOBE TICKET CO. in Pliladelphia, PA and that it was for the "Military Entertainment Service" __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/