Status: U Return-Path: Received: from web5204.mail.yahoo.com ([216.115.106.85]) by runyon.mail.mindspring.net (Earthlink Mail Service) with SMTP id tcpcpq.t3r.37kbi7f for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 14:02:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010405180232.9337.qmail@web5204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.12.103.23] by web5204.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 11:02:32 PDT Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 11:02:32 -0700 (PDT) From: MPCgram Subject: MPCGram 301 (corrected gram) To: MPCGram@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MPC Gram Covering the Entire World of Military Numismatics ---------------------------------------------------- Series 002-Number 301 Thursday, April 5, 2001 KIEVSKIE CHERVONTSY Ukraine, P. 42-48 By Misha Istomin It seems that these notes were planned as the legal tender notes for all occupied territories of the Soviet Union. Hence the name of the nominal value on the back has been written in the languages used in the USSR (not only in Russian) just like on the corresponding Soviet chervontsy. Moreover, the notes were planned in the same series step like Soviet chervontsy - 1R, 3R, 5R, 1ch, 3cher, 5cher, 10 cherv. The plans for administrative division of the territories under occupation must have been changed due to different reasons so the idea for using these notes was all together discarded. The reason of the language used on the notes for the refusal of introduction mentioned in Pick seems to be the least important. For the Ukraine in particular a decision was taken to issue the Rowno series. It should be noted that trial prints were made for all the notes from 1 R to 10 chervonets according to the Pick catalogue. (It is not known who supplied the photocopies and information to Pick). Such trial prints have zero ser. N and perforated word in German DRUCKPROBE (Trial print). When we speak about trial prints the statement “not issued” is not suitable (see volume I of the Pick catalogue, P. 888. Because this statement means that this or that note has actually been printed but not issued into the circulation. It is not known who disposes of the above trial prints. Two notes (3 cherv and 5 cherv) with perforation DRUCKPOBE (trial print) and with zero control number in slightly used grade were put on sale at the 5th auction of the firm Sylvia Reichenberger in Munich on March 6, 1992. No buyer. (Information in the article by Uwe Bonnert). According to the rumors the External Trade organization of the former DDR sold a complete set of the Rosenberg notes to the firm of Dieter Hoffman in the 80s. Now Dieter Hoffman is reported to live in South America (information from the article by Uwe Bonnert). It seems that only three notes out of the series have been actually printed NOT in the form of trial prints (Druckprobe) – P. 42, 1R, 1941, there are three old photocopies of the same note “50. 1918204”, in Kiev, in Odessa, in Saint Pertersburg and in Kharkov, the note with the N 50.1918206 (seems to be original?) is illustrated in the catalogue by Albert Malyshev et al. on p. 213. The following notes of 1R. with control number are listed in the book by F. Schwan and J. Boling World War II remembered 1995 as observed: 1R 27 0068895 and 50 1918204. The note with the # 50 1948004 is presented in the catalogue by V. Malyshev and L. Kats copied reportedly from an original kept in Moscow (1998). In the 60s one of the notes belonged to a Leningrad collector O.A. Savinov. P. 45, 1 cherv. 1941, there are two old photocopies of the same note “27.0068895” -one in Kiev, the other in Odessa and one in Kharkov, the same note (seems to be original?) is illustrated in the catalogue by Albert Malyshev et al. on p. 213. The Journal ‘ Kollektsioner Azerbaidjana” N 4-5 for 1969 in the article by B.Uvarov shows a one chervonets note with the N 27. 0066991. The note with the # 27-0068895 is presented in the catalogue by V. Malyshev and L.Kats and was reportedly copied from the copy kept in England (1998). Unfortunately, this is all the information on the above two notes. It is not known where they are actually located. and P. 47, 5 cherv., 1941. a known dealer from the USA considers that there exist only 7 pieces in the world. The piece he offered in aUNC-EF (list of January 1996) has the ser. N 4. 0310651 (illustrated in the catalogue by Albert Malyshev et al. on p. 213). A note with ser. N 4. 0310655 in NEF is also known for sure (in Kiev), N 3. 0059932 (in Kiev) and N . with N 4 0310674 (in Moscow and illustrated in old Pick). An old photocopy with the N 4.0310654 is known to be in Saint Petersburg (1999) and one in Kharkov. The following notes of 5 cherv. with control number are listed in the book by F. Schwan and J. Boling World War II remembered 1995 as observed: 2 0435717 and 2 0435800, the latter is actually presented in the book. A note with the # 4.0310686 is known now in Moscow in rather used shape. Note of 5 cherv. with normal control number 4. 0310661 in VF was put on sale at the auction house of Rosenberg (16th Paper Money Auction) on November 23, 1996 and acquired by a Canadian dealer Ian Marshall and now offered (info for 1999). Information in the article by Uwe Bonnert turned out to be wrong – the note under consideration has been sold. Numbers of the Kievskiye chervontsy: N 2 0435717 – number is only mentioned in the book by Schwan and Boling N 2 0435800 – number of an illustration in the book by Schwan and Boling N 3.0059932 – Kiev, aF, summer 1999 N 4 0310650 – Rosenberg auction May 15, 1993, grade II N 4.0310651- USA, also illustrated in the book of Albert Malishev N 4 0310661 – Rosenberg auction ?1999, stan III N 4.0310654 - old photocopy in Saint Peterburg N 4.0310655 – Kiev, VF N 4.0310661- Canada N 4 0310674 – Moscow and shown in the old Pick N 4.0310686- Moscow, VG+, new arrival. A note of 5 cherv. was reported to have been in the 60s in the collection of a Moscow collector A.P. Isshtein. A note of 3 or 5cherv. was reported to have been in the collection of an early US collector Dr. Walter Loeb of Seattle Wa. The collection in question was dispersed in the 70s. The 5 cherv. note has a specific wmk, not cited in the list of wmks for Germany in the Pick catalogue (8th edition) and Rosenberg catalogue (9th edition). At least about this note one can state that it has been printed but not released into actual circulation. One can only suppose that the few available pieces found their way into the collectors hand thru the employees of the printing facility (probably 2nd imperial printers, Reichdruckerei) in Germany. A hypothesis can be presented that the printed notes were destroyed by the Soviet Army some of the notes getting into the soldiers’ pockets. The source of all printed notes is Russia and they are not is UNC. It is not known who has made the contribution to the Pick catalogue and who supplied the notes for illustration. But it seems that it was an old contribution e.i. only the prices were changed freshly. There is no exact information on the destiny of the Rosenberg roubles. The situation has been perfectly presented in the article by Uwe Bonnert in the Swiss Journal Muenzen Revue. The three important collections of Germany (Money Museum of the German Bank, Coin Department of the State Museum in Berlin and Bavarian Hypotheken and Exchange Bank AG. do not possess the Rosenberg notes (either with control number or trial prints). Notes: “MUSTER” means “SPECIMEN” in German. DRUCKPROBE means “TRIAL PRINT” in German. One must recognize that there exist certain confusion in terminology. MUSTER is specimen in the strict meaning of the word, i.e something intended for distribution by the Central Bank downwards, so to say. DRUCKPROBE is also specimen, but means actually final trial print i.e. the copy made at the printers after the selection by the highest authority among the proposed variants. ==================================================== Editorial ---------------------------------------------------- Thanks to everyone who sent greetings and comments on the occasion of the 300th Gram. Well, we think that we have the donor list updated. Sorry about the delays. More donations will certainly be put to good use! =================================================== Mail Call Dear Gram, I must admit I wait for my copy of the Gram to arrive here at work. I have a home and work addresses, so I don't have to wait until I get home to read the Gram. On the weekends I read the Gram as soon as it arrives. I will be attending the Maastricht paper money show for the first time, along with at least 4 other gramsters. I hope someone will be able to get the Gram there. 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