Status: U Return-Path: Received: from web12708.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.173.245]) by tyner.mail.mindspring.net (Earthlink Mail Service) with SMTP id to70n9.jgv.37kbi5q for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 06:01:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010822094557.37851.qmail@web12708.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.191.148.16] by web12708.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 02:45:57 PDT Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 02:45:57 -0700 (PDT) From: MPCgram Subject: MPCGram 421/3 To: MPCGram@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-941074313-998473557=:37022" --0-941074313-998473557=:37022 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline ============================================== MPC Gram ============================================== Covering the Entire World of Military Numismatics ----------------------------------------------- Series 002-Number 421 Tuesday August 21, 2001 Dealer Makes Substantial Seminar Donation Dealer and MPC enthusiast David Seelye has made a substantial donation to the 2002 ANA summer seminar scholarship fund! This is the second consecutive year that Seelye has made such a donation. There is still plenty of time for other Gramsters to join him on the donor list (see information below). It also indicates that potential scholarship applicants should clear their calendars for the Seminar and watch for information on applying. Military Money Summer Seminar Thoughts by Joe Boling In response to some of Warner Talso's suggestions/proposals about the ANA summer seminar format for the military numismatics course(s): OPTION 1. Stay with one session. 1A - Stay exactly the same as this year. Since this was the first year, do one more like this and see if the experience helps in time management. A GOOD SUGGESTION 1B - Stay at one session, but add bull sessions. If we had 5 nights of 2 hours each, this would add 10 hours or the equivalent of two days. GAIL BAKER SCHEDULES the bull sessions to try to appeal to as many seminarians as possible. Problems with nightly BS on a single topic would be: conflicts with tours (such as the Pike's Peak tour or the baseball game) or with other bull sessions that students/instructors would like to hear; conflicts with bull sessions that the instructors are giving on non-military topics (such as the counterfeit world PM session); conflicts with mini-seminars (two-or three-night classes, six or nine hours) on other topics that the students/instructors might like to take or are involved in teaching. In any event, there would not be five evenings available, since the last evening is the graduation dinner, and in most years at least one evening is lost to the July 4th picnic. 1C - Stay with one session and make some decisions about what will not be covered. This has some advantages. If the goal is to present this seminar every year for the foreseeable future, then it needs to be "fresh" every year to avoid seeming to be repetitious. You could move material in and out and have something new to announce every year. This would also encourage repeat attendance. ANOTHER GOOD SUGGESTION OPTION 2. Schedule an expanded session. Would it be possible to start a session 2 days early or, for example using this year's schedule, we could have continued on with class on Friday and Saturday (July 6 &7). Use the weekend between the two sessions. I DON'T THINK this is feasible. ANA contracts with Colorado College for the use of classrooms and the meals/lodging of students/instructors. Adding days would change the cost of the session for only the students in this course, and I'm sure Gail and Barbara would tell us to forget it. OPTION 3. Go to two sessions. One question is how many people can afford to attend both sessions. Do you expect them to? This has an impact on the decision. MY UNDERSTANDING was that most students would attend a single session per year. Those who had taken the course previously would sign up for the advanced session (discussed below). Nothing would prevent someone from going to both sessions in the same year, but it would not be expected nor the norm. 3A - Call the sessions "Introduction" (or (Basic") and "Advanced." This sounds simple and is a conventional solution. But, who decides what is introductory and what is advanced? More importantly, how do I as a student decide where I fit in. There is a higher risk that I as a student will be disappointed with my decision. This would better if there were a clear and visible line separating the content of the two classes. YES, WE WOULD have to make the content of each session clear, and this is not easy (Fred and I already decided once to put that into the "too hard" box). 3B - Divide the sessions by geography - Europe and Pacific. This is not attractive since scrip usually doesn't divide up in this manner. BUT SINCE THE title of the course is "Military Numismatics since 1930" this is actually easier than it seems. MPC would just be covered (but not in depth) in both geographical divisions. 3C - Divide the sessions by the references. Call one "MPC" and use the "Comprehensive Catalog of MPC" as the text. Call the other "World War II Remembered" (or something descriptive) and use that book as the text. This divides the content into MPC - the United States military numismatics - and the rest of the world. This has the advantage of letting the prospective students know exactly what they are getting. Perhaps a greater advantage is that the instructors can use the texts as outlines and make class preparation simpler. ANOTHER GOOD SUGGESTION - maybe the best one here. Since MPC are in WWII Remembered, they would get some mention in the course dedicated to all of WWII, but not to the same extent as in the course dedicated to MPC alone. Not addressed by Warner is the mini-seminar. Gail would like us to offer one on military numismatics in the session that we are not teaching the main course, rather than offer two weeks of full-time seminars on the military topic. We actually had a mini-seminar offered in 2001 in the second week, and nobody signed up for it (which was fine by me, because I was supposed to be teaching it alone, and I do not have the material to cover Europe). Remember also, when thinking about advanced topics, that my collection is being dissipated; I will not have three boxes of notes and binders full of bonds to bring to seminar in future years (there might be some bonds left in 2002, but I hope all the notes will be in Joel's hands). ============================================== Editorial ----------------------------------------------- I will refrain from commenting on the seminar suggestions above because some more comments are waiting publication and of course we would like to have some others too. You will notice a new approach to the calendar below. Let us know your thoughts. ============================================== Mail Call ----------------------------------------------- Gramsters, Currently up on ebay, I have four auctions ending next Sunday from which I will be sending a check to the scholarship fund for the final bid amounts. The four items are a Series 011 $2 MFC note with ANA overprint, a Series 002 $5 MFC Training note (star note replacement), the 3rd edition of Fred's MPC book, and Fred's and Joe's WWII Remembered book. To see the auctions, just search under my ebay id mcwatson. Cheers, Mark C. Watson Dear Mark, Cool idea. Everyone ought to take a look at the notes. They are getting some action and the money goes to the seminar fund! Mark, are you coming to the fest? Editor For the past 2 grams, I've received two copies: the regular one and another identified as second copy. Both are identical. I only need one not two! Ken Berger Dear Ken, No charge for the extra one! You can keep that one pristine for your collection and let the first one get dog eared perhaps. Ok, our mail room might have gotten a little confused. In the publishing business, if you make a mistake, you call it a feature! Editor Dear Gram, I would like to propose that the "calendar of events" be toned back somewhat. Maybe sent via gram weekly, or montly, etc. Having to wade through the entire list every gram is quite tedious and repetitive. Maybe it could be sent on its own titled MPCGram-Events? A simple link to a page that has the events updated periodically instead of the entire list in every gram is another idea. Brad Dear Brad, Thanks for writing. You will see that we are trying a new system. Stay on us! Editor Dear Editor, I will be attending Fest III. Tom Koch Dear Tom, Great, see you in March! Editor ================================================ Departments --------------------------------------------------- Calendar of events for Gramsters maintained by Howard Daniel, John Wilson and Gram staff, last updated August 17, 2001 ---------------------------------------------------- Calendar of events for Gramsters maintained by Howard Daniel, John Wilson and Gram staff, last updated August 21, 2001. The full calendar will be published weekly, probably on Mondays. Daily we will include special MPC events and the next show or shows on the schedule. ---------------------------------------------------- August 23-26, 2001 - CSNS Fall Convention hosted by the MSNS in Dearborn, MI, Auction by NTL/Scotsman Coins, Hyatt Regency Dearborn August 23-25, 2001 - New England Coin Expo, Holiday Inn, Mansfield, MA, 130 tables August 25-26, 2001 - Golden State Coin Show, CSNS 109th Convention & NASC Masonic Temple Arcadia, CA August 31-Sept 1-2, 2001 - Ohio State Coin Show, Columbus Ohio Host CNS/COINS, Marriott North September 13 - 16, 2001 - Strasburg Currency and Stock & Bond Show, Lancaster Host Hotel, Lancaster, PA.,100 Booths, Exhibits and Educational Programs, Auction by: R. M. Smythe & Co., Inc., Contact Kevin Foley (414) 421-3498 September 15 - 16, 2001 - Red Rose Coin Club 43rd Annual Fall Show, Lancaster, PA., Exhibits CPMX, Chicago Feb 28- Mar 3, 2002 - Contact Kevin Foley, Chairman, Lyn Knight auction of Leo May collection March 2002 8-10 - MPCFest III [reservations in order received: Guido Crapanzano, Harold Kroll, Larry Smulczenski, Gary "Got any fours" Hicks, Tom Warburton, David Seelye, Jack Lippincot, Phil Goldstein, Warner Talso, Tom Koch, Fred Schwan {running total 11}] W.W.II numismatics seminar at ANA Summer Seminar, July 2002 -Session I (Sunday, June 30 through Thursday, July 4, 2002) -Session II (Sunday, July 7 through Thursday, July 11) --------------------------------------------------- Donations are now being accepted for scholarships to the 2002 "Military Money" course at the 2002 ANA Summer Seminar. Inquiries and donations should be sent to: Military Numismatists c/o Marcus Turner 8103 East US Highway 36 Suite 163 Avon, IN 46123 Donors to 2002 Scholarship Fund Steve Feller Harold Kroll R. A. Medina ==================================================== Post/Base Exchange (PX/BX/NEX) Dump your dupes! Your classified advertisement for items for sale will be run here for free. Send your ads to the gram. This service is for everyone, most humble dealer or most advanced collector. The point is to make the gram more interesting. Send in a list of items for sale and we will list them here in the gram. In all cases confirm your order via email first. FOR SALE Series 681 $0.50 Gem Crisp UNC, fresh from pack $20.00 insured postpaid. Italy 10 Lira series 1943A A.UNC to UNC $15.00 insured postpaid coinman@rochester.rr.com WANTED Collectors may submit lists of items wanted for their collections for listing here. 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