Status: U Return-Path: Received: from mail.papermoneyworld.net ([207.3.91.49]) by pickering.mail.mindspring.net (Earthlink Mail Service) with SMTP id tuolln.o8f.37kbi14 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 17:20:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: MPC GRAM Precedence: bulk Sender: mpcgram-owner@mail.papermoneyworld.net From: mpcgram-owner@mail.papermoneyworld.net (List Server) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 101 15:27:40 CDT Message-Id: <10111091527.AA4F13E394@mail.papermoneyworld.net> Reply-To: mpcgram@mail.papermoneyworld.net digest headerDate: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 22:06:27 -0800 (PST) From: MPCgram Subject: Re: Reply-To: mpcgram@mail.papermoneyworld.net Hello Ed, How bout sending some for sale listings for the Gram? The price is right. Fred ===== MPC Gram is published by BNR Press and papermoneyworld.com as a free service to the community of military money collectors. Your suggestions, criticisms, complaints, editorial contributions, letters, and even praise are very welcome. The entire contents including linked illustrations are copyright protected by the publishers. In the case of contributors, the copyright is protected on behalf of the creators. Please send all correspondence regarding the gram to MPCgram@yahoo.com. Thank you very much for your participation. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 22:43:02 -0800 (PST) From: MPCgram Subject: MPCGram 482 finished Reply-To: mpcgram@mail.papermoneyworld.net ============================================== MPC Gram ============================================== Covering the Entire World of Military Numismatics ----------------------------------------------- Series 002-Number 482 Friday, November 9, 2001 "To entomb or not entomb" by Al Glaser Boy has this become a hot topic! We have heard from a number of you how opposed you are to "slabbed" notes. I believe third party grading should have a place in the hobby. IBNS standards say UNC is the highest grade. If that is the case, why does a publication like the green sheet list three uncirculated grades? With the type of printing used for MPC, can you really tell if a note has been pressed, really? With intaglio printing you can see the embossing in the note, not on MPC. The average collector is putting their faith in the brotherhood of dealers out there to grade a note properly. Ever bought an UNC note at an UNC price only to find out when you tried to sell it later it had a carefully concealed fold? Most dealers have the knowledge to grade and the integrity to their hobby. However, in the past 30 years of buying paper money, I have run across those who don't. The internet has created hundreds of new "dealers" many of whom have no right placing a grade on anything. The folks doing the grading at these grading services do have quite a bit of experience in grading paper money. Are they always right, probably not. Will you always agree with their grade, doubtful. But, do you have a better chance of actually receiving the grade you paid for, I think so. These folks have certainly come across altered, improved and cleaned notes in the past and those notes are sent back to the person who submitted them without being encapsulated. I will in all likelihood send my higher valued notes in for certification. Mainly because if I die first, my wife has no idea what these are or what their worth. At least if they are graded, she would have better chance of actually receiving the true value of the note. Time will tell if graded notes have a place in the MPC fraternity. It is not for everyone. Al (don't send me any hate mail) Glaser Did You Know #2 by Ed Beaman Did You Know......(probably do) 43 "Magnificent Ladies" appear on US MPC, that is to say, 43 different female vignettes. Captured on the 13 regular series issues & the 2 most recent. 5 series depict no females at all. They are series...461, 471, 472, 681 & 701. Series 691, with only 1 original vignette, and 481 with 3. Ladies, abound, in the remaining 8 series. Most of us have our favorite(s), some very well known, names like, Laura, Nicole, Eve & Europa. Engraved by better known creative hands of, Smillie, Bower, Baldwin, Fenton, Wasserbach, Brooks and others. Yes, some are allegorical, statuesque & cold, yet others are hauntingly realistic....alluring. A few are a composition of previous works, yet others are unique. Some still unknown...unnamed. 6 wear earrings......2 wear a necklace......1 wears a tiara.....many wear a wreath. In garb from furs to peasant's cloth, all do respect to our ladies of MPC. Oh.....a note .....15 male vignettes...including the Minuteman & 2 on the 701 $5.00. 13 of these, appear in the last 4 series......Go Figure...?? 2nd note.....My Favorite...611 $10.00...unnamed...engraved by Mathew Fenton...."She's A Beaut !!" http://home.sprynet.com/~ebeaman/611-1X1.jpg ============================================== Editorial ---------------------------------------------- Well, the distribution test seems to be going well. We will publish some of the letter regarding this next week, I do not think that I will be able to get them in today. The biggest problem seems to be that the Gram arrives without the Gram number in the subject line. Wiz has worked on that, but does not have a reasonable solution. He can manually enter it which would be ok except that 1) it requires more work, 2) the coordination could get out of whack, 3) he would certainly sometimes forget to do it which would not be so terribly bad except that the subsequent Gram would then come through with the previous number and appear to be a duplicate. For the time being, we will probably have to live with this shortcoming. I will be out of town this weekend, but I have Grams prepared for Saturday and Sunday so with the help of Brad and Doug, you should get your daily Gram. ============================================== Mail Call ---------------------------------------------- Dear Editor: I have recently acquired WWII Remembered and want to compliment you and Mr. Boling for your monumental volume. It is a fantastic compendium. On another note, I enjoy the MPCgram. I have an interest in military issues, but not nearly the passion that some of the audience may have. The gram (and your book) allow me to be on somewhat more of a level field as far as knowledge of varieties and such. While I don’t necessarily pursue them, I now at least know how and where to look for them in order to bring them to the attention of those who may be interested. Regards, Jim Downey Gentlemen Just to add a little more confusion to the consideration of serial number colors, I have a 2s 6d wmk paper w/o security thread serial No. DD/8 088157 in what I would call a deep lilac (effectively the same color as the writing on the note) - thus neither red or black. My 5s notes, wmk paper w/o security thread, are serial No. CD/1 122123 in a very similar, but perhaps slightly darker, shade to the 2s 6d note described above; and CD/1 122499 in red. The red is a bit darker than the serial No. on my P-M20a specimen, but definitely a brighter red than on my P-M19a. As for slabbing notes, I guess its OK for a novelty item or a paper weight, but can one be sure slabbing doesn't damage the note? What about resale - would removal of the note from a slab cause damage? Could it continue to be regarded as Unc if so? Also, it has been known for notes to be cleaned with certain chemicals which are very efficient in removing dirt, but unfortunately weaken the note's fibres over time (perhaps largely destroying the note in the process). These chemicals can often impart a distinctive smell to the note, which would be very difficult to detect if slabbed. Count me in with the anti-slabbers. Gramme A. Dear Gram, I have--somewhere--a leaflet that has a huge Italian AMC note on the cover, instead of the French AMC note. I don't remember seeing this one anywhere. Now, if I can only find the darn thing. Dennis E. Dear Dennis, Hm, that sounds very interesting. I do not recall seeing a handbill for (against) the AM lire. I am sure (hope) that Herb Friedman will tell us. Editor ================================================ Departments ------------------------------------------------- Calendar of events for Gramsters maintained by Howard Daniel, Nancy and John Wilson and Gram staff, last updated September 7, 2001 show reports are requested on all events. Even if it was not a great show, there must be something to report. What and whom did you see? Market activity? Share your observations and thoughts with Gramsters everywhere. ---------------------------------------------------- Special "MPC" events March 2002 8-10 - MPCFest III - reservations in order received: Guido Crapanzano, Harold Kroll, Larry Smulczenski, Gary "Got any fours" Hicks, Tom Warburton, David Seelye, Jack Lippincot, Phil Goldstein, Warner Talso, Nick Schrier, Richard Freyser, Tom Koch, Mark Watson, Bill Yanchick, Doug Bell, Sam Feeback, Bruce Potter, Elmer Smith, Marv Mericle, Wes and Rod Hardy, Fred Schwan {running total 22}] W.W.II numismatics seminar at ANA Summer Seminar, July 2002 Session I (Sunday, June 30 through Thursday, July 4, 2002) Session II (Sunday, July 7 through Thursday, July 11, 2002) general events will return soon --------------------------------------------------- Donations are now being accepted for scholarships to the 2002 "Military Money" course at the 2002 ANA Summer Seminar. Inquiries and donations should be sent to: Military Numismatists c/o Marcus Turner 8103 East US Highway 36 Suite 163 Avon, IN 46123 Donors to 2002 Scholarship Fund Steve Feller Harold Kroll R. A. Medina Guido Crapanzano David Seelye Leo May Warner Talso Marv Mericle Mark Watson Gail Baker ==================================================== Post/Base Exchange (PX/BX/NEX) Dump your dupes! Your classified advertisement for items for sale will be run here for free. Send your ads to the gram. This service is for everyone, most humble dealer or most advanced collector. The point is to make the gram more interesting. Send in a list of items for sale and we will list them here in the gram. In all cases confirm your order via email first. FOR SALE Germany 1 pfennig to 2 Marks Army issues page 479 SB 142-147 EF-UNC $85.00 postpaid insured for domestic delivery. coinman@rochester.rr.com WANTED Collectors may submit lists of items wanted for their collections for listing here. Dealers and collectors who have these items are then encouraged to list them or sale in the above section. This is a trial, if you like it, send your list. =================================================== Staff: publisher and editor: Fred Schwan - MPCGram@Yahoo.com; assistant editor - Phil Goldstein IWANTMYMPC@aol.com distribution manager - Brad Peacock bp22@swbell.net Tuesday columnist Joe Boling – JoeBoling@aol.com Thurski columnist Larry “Ski” Smulczenski –skifla@prodigy.net critic: Harold Kroll - MPCKid@AOL.com; index manager: Ed Beaman webmaster & technical advisor: Doug Bell - (Wiz): doug@papermoneyworld.net; The Boss: Judy Schwan ===== MPC Gram is published by BNR Press and papermoneyworld.com as a free service to the community of military money collectors. Your suggestions, criticisms, complaints, editorial contributions, letters, and even praise are very welcome. The entire contents including linked illustrations are copyright protected by the publishers. In the case of contributors, the copyright is protected on behalf of the creators. Please send all correspondence regarding the gram to MPCgram@yahoo.com. Thank you very much for your participation. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com