Status: U Return-Path: Received: from mail.papermoneyworld.net ([207.3.91.49]) by niles.mail.mindspring.net (Earthlink Mail Service) with SMTP id u1nfsp.9ir.37kbi1o for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 16:24:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: MPC GRAM Precedence: bulk Sender: mpcgramsender-owner@mail.papermoneyworld.net From: mpcgramsender-owner@mail.papermoneyworld.net (List Server) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 101 15:01:57 CDT Message-Id: <10112151501.AA1142124@mail.papermoneyworld.net> Repy-To: mpcgramsender-owner@mail.papermoneyworld.net Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 07:43:16 -0800 (PST) From: MPCgram Subject: MPCGram 513 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D MPC Gram =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Covering the Entire World of Military Numismatics ---------------------------------------------- Series 003-Number 513 Saturday, December 15, 2001 101 Ways of collecting mpc By Doug =93the Wiz=94 Bell In today's day and time some collectors have come up with different and unusual ways of collecting. For many years paper money collectors have collected notes by SN# lowest, highest, radars, even numbers, odd numbers, errors, birth dates, just to name a few. In collecting MPC there is an added feature to the face of the notes: A block number. This number represents where on the sheet the note was printed. The sheet format can be found in the the book=20 Military Payment Certificates by Fred Schwan. At the first MPC Fest I met Nick Schrier. He displayed his block number pack of 481 5 cent and 521 5 cent (84 notes each!). At about the same time, I saw Mr. Balbaton with a block pack on ebay of 641 $10 (50 notes) with every block number there. Then I saw Fred's set of 681 20 $ block set. To do this takes much looking and keeping track of numbers. Seeing this type of collecting is what got me started. I started collecting what I called a Master Set, 5 cent - 1 dollar with all block numbers totaling 5012 notes, if you count the left and right block numbers of the 481 series 1 dollar notes. This doesn't include the 651 fractional or the 691 701 notes. In case you were wondering how many notes it would be for 5 dollar to the 20 dollar, that would add and extra 1450 notes, bringing the total to 6462 notes called "Extend Master Set." And of course there is still the Short Master Set containing 5 cent through 50 Cent notes totaling JUST 4032 notes. Just think when I started this, a 90-note set was the goal. I started collecting mpc in the 1970's and MPC was very difficult to find anywhere. Then came along the Internet. What a change this made in collecting! Not only the convenience of locating mpc quickly, the internet enables fellowship with other collectors. Collecting mpc has really made this hobby very enjoyable. See you at the fest. Doug Douglas Bell Webmaster www.papermoneyworld.net=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Editorial ---------------------------------------------- I am an eccentric MPC collector. I do not expect many arguments about this. Doug Bell has taken MPC eccentricity to a new level! Doug=92s approach is so far removed from =93normal=94 that collectors have turned his name into a verb. To Bell a collection means to collect MPC by position number. It also can mean to collect anything to an extreme level of detail. In the new book we have included Bell charts. These are check lists that allow you to collect MPC by position number and record your collection in a concise way. Even creating the chart was difficult. I spent about 14 hours on the project spread over several days. Heck, it was probably 24 hours spread over several months. In some ways these charts delayed the book during this time because it was one of those =93little=94 problems that really bothered me. Obviously, to have a real Bell chart, space has to be provided for 84 pieces of the fractional notes. It is not easy to put 84 positions in an easy-to-use format. I tried many different formats and had many problems, but finally came up with a very nice solution. I sent some sample pages to the Bell king (the wiz). Possibly he can hang some scans at papermoneyworld for your admiration [grin]. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Mail Call ---------------------------------------------- Dear Editor, For the Glossary in the 4th edition, how about "fancy serial/position number collecting" That is assembling a collection of MPC with an owner derived special serial/position focus. An example is a collection of MPC all with position 1 or 2 or 8 or 33 or 39 or 44. Or a combination of serial number-position number-value that is derived by the collector to enhance his main collection. An example of the extreme is to "Bell", i.e. assemble a complete collection of all positions.=20 David=20 Fred The Glossary is a great idea. Here are my comments.[comments omitted, ed.] Warner Editor: Comments on your Glossary 1) If you are going to make the comment that the back can not be correctly called the reverse & the face (wouldn't front be better? after all it's the opposite of back; I think front is more commonly used than face) can not be correctly called the obverse, you should give an explanation as to why these terms are incorrect. It's incomplete to say something is wrong without saying why it is wrong. 2) You state "specimen a specimen note is similar to a proof note in that it is not a medium of exchange." This definition is TOTALLY useless. Similar does not imply exactness. So how is it similar (do mean that it is only similar in that it is not a medium of exchange?) &, more importantly, how does it differ. 3) Later you state "specimen note. =93Sample notes=94 made for education, training, demonstration or similar purposes. In the case of MPC, specimen notes created by contractors were made from replacement notes and perforated with the word specimen. The BEP created specimens by applying zero serial numbers." The above definition is much better than the earlier one. However, now you have the problem of two different definitions for a specimen note. You need to combine specimen & specimen note & give a clear definition. If one of my students gave me the vagueness of #2 & the conflict with #2 & #3, I would reject it & tell him/her to do it over.=20 Regards, Ken Berger=20 Dear David, Warner, and Ken, Thank you very much for writing with some very good comments, suggestion, etc. We are incorporating most or all of them. I will refrain from commenting on front/face/obverse for the moment in the hope that a summer seminar student (or anyone else) will respond to that part. We can put in a reason, but my interesting counterpoint is that I have never seen a =93coin=94 book state WHY the term obverse it used. (Because at the mint the names of the dies are obverse and reverse.) Thanks again and we can still take more comments on the glossary (and other items too, but time is getting VERY short). Editor =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Departments ------------------------------------------------- Calendar of events for Gramsters maintained by Howard Daniel, Nancy and John Wilson and Gram staff, last updated September 7, 2001 show reports are requested on all events. Even if it was not a great show, there must be something to report. What and whom did you see? Market activity? Share your observations and thoughts with Gramsters everywhere. ----------------------------------------------------=20 Special "MPC" events March 2002 8-10 - MPCFest III - reservations in order received: Guido Crapanzano, Harold Kroll, Larry Smulczenski, Gary "Got any fours" Hicks, Tom Warburton, David Seelye, Jack Lippincot, Phil Goldstein, Warner Talso, Nick Schrier, Richard Freyser, Tom Koch, Mark Watson, Bill Yanchick, Doug Bell, Sam Feeback, Bruce Potter, Elmer Smith, Marv Mericle, Wes and Rod Hardy, Marcus Turner, Gene Ryanwood, Al Glaser, Fred Schwan {running total 25}] [missing =93old=94 Festers: Dan Swartz, Leo May, Al Glaser, Kevin Maloy (did I forget someone?), come on guys, give us your reservation] Three airports are reasonably available for the Fest. In order of proximity they are: Toledo Cleveland Detroit (Metro) All three are reasonable. If you can arrive early enough AND coordinate it well ahead, every attempt will be made to pick you up at the airport to save on rental cars. Festers are encouraged to coordinate among themselves for rides. We will also run notices in the Gram and, finally, we will try to coordinate for Festers to run pickups from Fest central. =20 June 29 to July 5=20 W.W.II numismatics seminar at ANA Summer Seminar, July 2002=20 Session I (June 29 through July 5, 2002)=20 Session II (Sunday, July 7 through Thursday, July 11, 2002)=20 general events will return soon --------------------------------------------------- Donations are now being accepted for scholarships to the 2002 "Military Money" course at the 2002 ANA Summer Seminar. Inquiries and donations should be sent to: Military Numismatists c/o Marcus Turner 8103 East US Highway 36 Suite 163 Avon, IN 46123 Donors to 2002 Scholarship Fund Steve Feller Harold Kroll R. A. Medina Guido Crapanzano David Seelye Leo May Warner Talso Marv Mericle Mark Watson Gail Baker =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D Post/Base Exchange=20 (PX/BX/NEX) Dump your dupes! Your classified advertisement for items for sale will be run here for free. Send your ads to the gram. This service is for everyone, most humble dealer or most advanced collector. The point is to make the gram more interesting. Send in a list of items for sale and we will list them here in the gram. In all cases confirm your order via email first.=20 SPECIAL NOTICE We are in a mad final push to complete the fourth edition of our MPC bible! We can and will have it to the printer before Christmas! The resources section is one of the major areas where work is needed. Place your advertisement now! If you ordered an ad in the past and we have not spoken about it recently, please confirm. This is your chance to get your message to thousands of collectors and dealers world wide. With an advertisement in The Comprehensive Catalog of Military Payment Certificates you will receive many extras (these may change over time): listing in the Hot Contact List every month in the Bank Note Reporter, in the book itself, at papermoneyworld and probably right here in the Gram. Here is what is available: Inside back cover, one spot $1900* Last page $1700 Full page in resources section $750 Three quarter page $550 Half page $500 Quarter page $400 *full color available for this position. Monthly payment option available. Make your reservation now! FOR SALE Ireland Currach 1 pence, 6 pence, 1 shilling, 2 shilling Campbell 5550-5553 EF set of 4 $300.00 postpaid insured for domestic delivery.=20 Austria IRO 1 Unit Campbell 7360 VF $250.00 postpaid insured for domestic delivery. coinman@rochester.rr.com=20 WANTED Collectors may submit lists of items wanted for their collections for listing here. Dealers and collectors who have these items are then encouraged to list them or sale in the above section. This is a trial, if you like it, send your list. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D Staff: publisher and editor: Fred Schwan - MPCGram@Yahoo.com; assistant editor - Phil Goldstein IWANTMYMPC@aol.com distribution manager - Brad Peacock bp22@swbell.net Tuesday columnist Joe Boling =96 JoeBoling@aol.com Thurski columnist Larry =93Ski=94 Smulczenski =96ski@papermoneyworld.net critic: Harold Kroll - MPCKid@papermoneyworld.net fact checker: Warner Talso index manager: Ed Beaman webmaster & technical advisor: Doug Bell - (Wiz): doug@papermoneyworld.net;=20 The Boss: Judy Schwan =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D MPC Gram is published by BNR Press and papermoneyworld.com as a free serv= ice to the community of military money collectors. Your suggestions, crit= icisms, complaints, editorial contributions, letters, and even praise are= very welcome. The entire contents including linked illustrations are cop= yright protected by the publishers. In the case of contributors, the copy= right is protected on behalf of the creators. Please send all corresponde= nce regarding the gram to MPCgram@yahoo.com. Thank you very much for your= participation. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com