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Series 003 - Number      Friday - 26 APRIL 2002
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__308 days to Fest IV__


FEATURED ARTICLE


Oral History Interview with Bernard Bernstein
July 23, 1975
by Richard D. McKinzie
submitted by Fred Schwan


       Dan Bell and I were having discussions with two officers from the War Department. One of them was General Arthur Carter. Major General Arthur Carter, who was one of the fiscal chiefs at the Pentagon. We had just a few meetings with them on the currency and on the rate of exchange questions. The Treasury view was that we wanted to see the U.S. dollar exchanged for 75 French francs.

       On Friday afternoon, October 9, 1942, I remember the occasion so vividly--the War Department officers were in Dan Bell's office and the four of us were having a discussion. Toward the end of the meeting, General Carter put a cable on the table and handed it to Under Secretary Bell, and said, "This is a cable from General Eisenhower."

       Dan Bell read the cable aloud. The cable said General Eisenhower wanted to have a Treasury man on his staff to assist on financial matters in connection with the invasion of North Africa. Dan Bell told Carter he would have to take it up with the Secretary. They left and Dan and I were sitting there and I said that I felt I was the person to be sent in response to the cable, that I was younger (I was married at the time, but I was much younger than Dan Bell), and I knew the work and I had been in on these discussions.

       He said he would have to talk to the Secretary. This was late afternoon on Friday. A little while after I came in the next morning to my office Dan Bell phoned me, said that he had discussed the cable with the Secretary, and the Secretary felt that he could not spare me and that he wanted me to remain at the Treasury. I told Dan that I thought that was the wrong decision; the country is at war and General Eisenhower is leading our first invasion and is absolutely entitled to the fullest cooperation of the Treasury and I thought I was qualified to represent the Treasury in this field in view of what I have been doing. I also told Bell I wanted an opportunity to talk with the Secretary.

       Dan said he would tell the Secretary. About an hour later my telephone rang and when the Secretary is calling you, or the Secretary's operator is calling you, there are three rings and you know it's the Secretary, or the Secretary's operator. I picked up the phone and the Secretary's operator said that I was to go to the Secretary's office.
      
       There was the Secretary alone in his office, standing behind his desk. He said that he just came back from taking a walk around the White House grounds and that he knew from Dan that I wanted an opportunity to express my views directly to the Secretary. So I said the Treasury of course wants to cooperate with General Eisenhower; this is a crucial moment in American history; I know the work of the Treasury in this field; and I've been working on it; I'm young enough to serve overseas, and I think you ought to designate me. I also said I'd be doing the work of the Treasury, because what we were talking about was Treasury work. The Secretary agreed that in a real sense I would be carrying on work I had been doing in the Treasury.

       Secretary Morgenthau called the War Department and said that I was the Treasury man to join General Eisenhower's staff.  At the Friday afternoon meeting there had been a little talk with General Carter as to whether the Treasury designee would go in civilian clothes or uniform. Carter said the War Department would like to have him in uniform as a lieutenant colonel but he would be a Treasury designee.  On Monday morning, October 12, 1942, I turned up at the War Department. By about 5 p.m. I was processed through the War Department, possibly one of the fastest examples of being commissioned in the history of the War Department, sworn in, and handed orders. The orders said I was to leave for England to report to General Eisenhower.

       I went back to the Treasury, I had a friend, one of my colleagues there, prepare a will for me, and I gave a power of attorney to my wife. We had one child and another child was on the way. I began finishing off my work at the Treasury. On Tuesday morning I finished off a lot of my work. Meanwhile my wife and Charles Kades who at that time was a captain and a close friend of ours, helped my wife in getting things for me. I don't know whether you know Lewis & Thomas Saltz in Washington, that was the famous men's haberdashery store. I showed up there around 11 a.m. to get my uniforms and overcoat. There was quite a scene in the store. Colonel Foley was over there, a couple other colleagues and my pregnant wife was in tears a little bit. When I used to run into the Saltz brothers for years thereafter they used to remind me of that scene. I had an appointment for 1 o'clock that day at Union Station to meet a Colonel Foster, who had been designated by General Carter to accompany me to New York and brief me a little bit. Colonel Foster had asked me the night before if we could fly up. I didn't tell him that I had never flown on a plane before. I was flying over to England-to Ireland and to England, but I thought that I'd rather have the trip to New York by train. So I said if he didn't mind, I'd find it more relaxing if we could have the discussion on the train. We took the 1 o'clock train, we were sitting in the dining car, opposite each other, at a table, and I said, "You know, this is quite an experience for me, I've never had any military training whatsoever, never ROTC of any form, I don't even know how to salute."  So, he saluted me, in the dining car. He said, "Now, you salute me back." I saluted. He said, "Now you've had your basic training."

       My wife followed me to New York with all of the uniforms that were being adjusted and fixed at Lewis & Thomas Saltz, and with all kinds of pills that I could take on this flight. I was going over in a seaplane from LaGuardia to Ireland. I had been told at the War Department that Ireland was a neutral country and you can't wear any military equipment through there, and if they see it they will confiscate it. I took the instructions seriously. I packed up all of my military gear and I wore a regular civilian suit, except I carried a paper bag with my helmet in it. The instructions I had said that I had to bring over a helmet. When I got up to the airline counter to weigh in my baggage I had $80 worth of excess baggage and I had to strip a lot of it out to get myself down to only $40 of excess baggage.  

       Well, we flew that night in what we'd consider now almost nothing of a plane. There were hardly any seats except some canvas seats. There was one woman on the plane, who was the head of the American Red Cross. She was a very distinguished lady. Some of the men threw their overcoats on the floor and she slept on the coats on the floor of the plane.  

       We arrived in Foynes, Ireland.... To Be Continued

Commentary by Fred:


       Friday I will be spending the day at the Central States Numismatic Association Convention in Columbus, Ohio. I was going to spend the weekend, but had a conflict so am now limiting myself to just Friday.

       In the days before paper money shows (gad), Central States was a major event for paper money folks. I expect to find quite a bit of paper, but mostly that will be because it is so much more common these days for dealers to carry paper money along with their coins.

       I certainly expect to see John and Nancy Wilson there and possibly even some Festers. If you are a Fester and you will be there, be sure to have your challenge coin.

       I hope to find some goodies to report and certainly will try to make a show report long before my column next Friday.

       Say, Phil is certainly doing a great job. I am sure that most if not all of you will agree. Well, the best way to show your feelings is to send in some material: article, letter, question, material for sale, or some of each. Fill the MPCGram mail box with good stuff.

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EDITORIAL


What he said! Come on people... it's too quiet...

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MAIL CALL

Mr. Fred

       Let's get this straight now.  In accordance to Fred Schwan's new Comprehensive Catalog of Military Payment Certificates, (series 641) 5˘ costs $8 UNC and 10˘ costs $10 UNC. 

       I made an internet bid for an UNC 5˘ note and an UNC 10˘ note, using the price guide, for the last weekend auction in Ottumwa, Iowa.  Some one outbidded me and bought the pieces for more than twice the Schwan's price guide.

       Was that bizarre?  Try this, folks.  On April 23, 2002 Robert Reynolds, an auctioneer in Omaha had two lots of MPC on the block. Block one was four Alliance notes of no significance whatsoever, and the condition was G/VG at its best.  The lot went for $8.  The second lot consisted of a 641 5˘, 481 50˘, 481 10˘.  The 641 was kind of OK, good the very most.  The 481's were so beaten up one will have to wonder if they were used as a rifle cleaner before.  The lot went for $10.

       Several possibilities that can cause this type of high-price bidding can be thought of.  The first possibility is that Fred's price guide is out of whack, or such bidders know more than Fred does.

       It can't be, or we all are in trouble.  The second possibility is that these guys have no idea that the new Comprehensive Catalog of Military Payment Certificates is available, and they do not check things out on eBay.  The third possibility is that the price for this stuff is going to explode, and only those bidders know so.

       The bidders in these two auctions can do much, much better on one of those dealers whose web sites are advertised in Fred's book.   One of the dealers is selling Series 641 5˘ GEM UNC for $9.

       Any thought? Shall we all hang on to our collection and enjoy the millions soon coming our way?  One thing we can do to make this happen: get the cash-rich Japanese addicted to MPC.  Take cameras for example, last weekend in the Omaha's camera show, prices for all M3 Leica went off the roof, and any M3 in decent shape was bought shortly after the show started.  I found the reason for it: at one empty table slept away a Japanese guy, probably due to jet lag.  Next to him? Several M3 Leica cameras and lenses.


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For all who wants to get a fest shirt you can vote on the design at:

www.papermoneyworld.net/usmpc/shirt.htm

and to stay up to date by requesting to be put on the mpc fest shirt list. Just email me at: doug@papermoneyworld.net

The list will be a email fest shirt gram as to the progress of the shirts.
Douglas Bell


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CALENDAR OF EVENTS

2002

ANA Seminar:   29 June to 5 July
W.W. II numismatics seminar at ANA Summer Seminar, July 2002
Session I
(Saturday, 29 June through Friday, 5 July, 2002)
Session II
(Sunday, 7 July through Thursday, 11 July, 2002)
general events will return

WESPMEX:   27 - 28 July
Westchester Paper Money Exposition - 175 Dealers
Westchester County Center, White Plains, NY

WESPMEX:   11 - 13 October
Westchester Paper Money Exposition - 100 Dealers
Westchester County Center, White Plains, NY

WESPMEX:   29 November - 1 December
Westchester Paper Money Exposition - 160 Dealers
Westchester County Center, White Plains, NY

2003

CPMX 9:   20 - 23 February,
MPC Fest IV:   28 Feb - 2 March, Port Clinton, OH
Fest Registrants: Doug Bell,  Joe Boling,  Guido Crapanzano,  Dick Freyser,  Philip M. Goldstein,  Gary Hicks,  Harold Kroll, 
Jack Lippincot,  Kevin Maloy,  Leo May$$,  Fred Schwan,  David Seelye,  Nick Shrier,  Larry Smulczenski,  Warner Talso,
Marcus Turner,  Tom Warburton

$$ = Paid          Running total: 17



ANA:   19-22 March, Charlotte, NC

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SCHOLARSHIP DONATIONS


Donations are now being accepted for scholarships to the 2002 "Military Money" course at the 2002 ANA Summer Seminar. Inquiries and donations should be sent to:

Military Numismatists
c/o Marcus Turner
8103 East US Highway 36
Suite 163
Avon, IN 46123

or contact Marcus at:
maturner@indy.rr.com


Donors to 2002 Scholarship Fund:

Dave Amey                         Gail Baker                               Keith and Sue Bauman        Ort Cowles
Guido Crapanzano              Howard A. Daniel, III               Steve Feller                        Gary Hicks
Ed Hoffman                        Harold Kroll                             Tim Kyzivat                        R. A. Medina
Leo May                             Marv Mericle                           Mr. 691                             David Seelye
Joel Shafer                          Neil Shafer                               Warner Talso                     Mark Watson
John & Nancy Wilson         Bill Yanchick                                                

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HOT CONTACT LIST - DEALER & RESOURCE LIST


Below is the BNR Press Hot Contact List. This list serves several functions. Obviously it is an outreach by the dealers listed for your business. Most of them buy and sell MPC. Others organize shows or publish periodicals, or furnish information dedicated to this field. They have supported the new Comprehensive Catalog of Military Payment Certificates with their advertising.

They deserve your support and patronage!

Name                                                       phone                    fax                                   email
Allens                                                     (614) 882-3937       (614) 882-0662               info@allens.com
American Coins & Collectibles          (800) 865-3562
American Numismatic Ass'n               (800) 367-9723                                               ana@money.org
Guy Araby                                             (562) 945-7891      (310) 508-0018                guyaraby@earthlink.net

Bob Baker                                              (713) 864-3122
Ken Barr                                                 (408) 272-3247                                               ken@kenbarr.com

Fred Bart                                                (810) 979-3400
Dick Balbaton                                        (508) 699-2266       (508) 643-1154               RJBalbaton@aol.com

Keith and Suzanne Bauman                (248) 262-1514                                               tnaksbauman@earthlink.net
Joe Bissell                                              (602) 440-0442       (602) 494-9103
BNR Press                                              (419) 732-6683       (419) 732-6683               fredschwan@yahoo.com

Remy Bourne                                         (800) 789-7070       (763) 789-4747
Ed Carne                                                 (614) 882-3937       (614) 882-0662               info@allens.com

Champion Stamp                                   (212) 489-8130       (212) 581-8130
Cookie Jar Collectibles                         (301) 604-9225                                               cjcpi@comcast.net

Guido Crapanzano                                [39] 2-8056228       [39] 2-4459856
Currency Dealer Newsletter                (310) 515-7369
David F. Cieniewicz                              (205) 852-7015
CGC                                                         (602) 493-4758       (602) 494-9103               sales@gradedcurrency.com
Mike Cummings                                    (863) 603-9899       (863) 603-9880            
   mpccoin@hotmail.com
Cygnet Charters                                    (419) 734-2422
Ray Czahor                                            (301) 604-9225                                               cjcpi@comcast.net

Doric Coins & Currency                      (508) 699-2266       (508) 643-1154
FUN                                                        (407) 321-8747

Larry Gibbs                                            (308) 635-7900                                               oth@prairieweb.com
Philip M. Goldstein                               (845) 254-MPC1 [6721]                                iwantmympc@aol.com  or  MPC Website
Great Lakes Bank Note Company      (419) 732-6683
IBNS                                                                                                                               joeboling@aol.com
Essie Kashani                                        (909) 627-3996       (909) 627-2776               kashani10@aol.com
Lowel Horwdel                                      (765) 583-2748       (765) 583-4584               horwdel@inshightbb.com
Peter Huntoon                                       Smithsonian Research
                                peter.huntoon@att.net
Lyn Knight                                            (800) 243-5211
Krause Publications                             (715) 445-2214       (715) 445-4087  
             bnr@krause.com
Harold Kroll                                           (251) 649-5134                                               HARBONS@aol.com
Leo May                                                 (305) 271-8391                                               LeoMayEnt@aol.com or Wide World of Banknotes
Ian Marshall                                          (416) 445-0286       (416) 445-0286               iam@total.net
Memphis Coin Club                             (901) 757-2515
MPCGram                                               (419) 732-6683                                               MPCGram@yahoo.com
Bob Reed                                               (504) 361-5684                                               bobreed@rrcoins.net
Fred Schwan                                          (419) 732-6683       (419) 732-6683               FredSchwan@yahoo.com
David Seelye                                         (585) 594-1987       (585) 594-2311               coinman@rochester.rr.com
Richie Self                                              (318) 868-9077
R. M. Smythe                                         (800) 622-1880       (212) 908-4047               www.smytheonline.com

Mel Steinberg & Son                           (415) 453-9750       (415) 457-4432               melsteinberg@mindspring.com
Military Trader                                      (800) 334-7165
Scott Winslow Associates                 (603) 472-7040       (603) 472-8773  
             scott@scottwinslow.com
George Warner                                      (307) 672-3700
Pam West                                              [44] 0208 641 3224   [44] 0208 641 3224      pamwestbritnotes@compuserve.com


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POST / BASE EXCHANGE   (PX/BX/NEX)


Dump your dupes! Your classified advertisement for items for sale, purchase or trade will be run here for free. Send your ads to the gram. This service is for everyone, most humble dealer or most advanced collector. The point is to make the gram more interesting. In all cases confirm your order via email first.

FOR SALE
For Sale ads will run for a period of up to 5 days, or until sold.

See S/B WWII Remembered, page 301, #659 a, Tudor printed 20 Zwanzig deutsche marks, condition VF, blue front looks great, slightly rounded corners, back is primarily red with light greenish brown.
SN C11209704A, PN 2,
Asking $400 cash or trade for other MPC notes
Contact: forwebfootbob@earthlink.net

 

Have the following CU MPC NOTES:
Series 651 $10.00...........$200.00
Series 651 $5.00............$185.00

THE PAIR AT $380.00 POSTPAID.

Continental Coin Investors, Inc.
3123 N. HWY 98
Lakeland, FL 33805-2103

Email: mpccoin@hotmail.com
Website: www.internet4coins.com


Comprehensive Catalog of Military Payment Certificates - 4th Edition
by Fred Schwan

Standard Edition (400 pages!)                                                               $  50
Collectors’s Edition (432 pages!)                                                          $  95
Researcher's Edition (432 page, 46 produced, limited to availability)      $125
All orders plus $4 shipping per order (NOT per book). Send snail mail payment to:


BNR Press
132 E. Second Street
Port Clinton, OH   43452

or PayPal using email:
fredschwan@yahoo.com


WANTED

Collectors may submit lists of items wanted for their collections for listing here. Dealers and collectors who have these items are then encouraged to list them for sale in the above section as a reply. This is a trial, if you like it, send your list.

WANTED Souvenir Card 'MPC Fest I' from the first MPC Fest.
(4/18)

Collector wants All USAFFE and AUSA Free Samar notes All 125th Infantry Regiment and Markings Guerrilla notes. I am also interested in any and all Guerilla Municipal issues.
(4/18)

WANTED TO BUY: Bulk quantities of Afghanistan propaganda leaflets or related.
(4/18)

Looking for a Series 641 MPC, any denomination with the serial number J02283151J.
(4/18)

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MPC CATALOG CORRECTIONS & ENHANCEMENTS


Page 18, Bottom - Users of Military Payment Certificates
Check marks were omitted from production copies of books. Please check off the following:
Australia:           641, 661, 681, 692
Canada:            461 through and including 591
Korea:              641, 661, 681, 692
New Zealand:   641, 661, 681, 692
Thailand:           641, 661, 681, 692
United States:    All
(date listed: 02 APRIL 2002)

Page 201, Bottom Right - Very last sentence on this page
Two serial numbers listed for the second printing of
Series 472 .50 cent notes.  The first serial number listed is obviously in error as a nine digit number: C040351392C   
Correct Serial Number is: C04035139C
D Freyser (date listed 10 April 2002)

Page 207, #833/4  - Series 481 .25 4th Printing  (table listing serial number breakdowns)  line 5
Start Number is incorrect. It appears as:
(start) D14784001D   (end) D14784000D
Correct start number should be: D09408001D
PK6 (date listed: 03 APRIL 2002)

Page 214, #855/r2 - Series 541 $1 Replacements,
Ending serial number is incorrect
Correct number is F1112000
(date listed: 02 APRIL 2002)

Page 220, #884/2r - Series 641 .50 Replacements

On page 284, it is broken down into 2 printings. That's correct, BUT, on page 220 he lists only (1) printing reported. It should "list" both first and second printings. 
Guy Araby (date listed 04 APRIL 2002)

Page 287, Series 661 Series Summary, 25 cent note: the "list" shows "#CU as 10(7) . It should read, 8(7). As only 8 are known in CU. Just recount P.289. 
Guy Araby (date listed 08 APRIL 2002)

Page 398, Series #541 $10 on  "UNC." price is $2500, on P.214 the UNC. price is $3500. Also the rest of the prices don't match all the way to "VG" on this issue. They should be the same price.
Guy Araby (date listed 08 APRIL 2002)

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Staff:


Publisher:                                               Fred Schwan -                              MPCGram@yahoo.com

Editor:                                                     Philip M. Goldstein -                   IWANTMYMPC@aol.com
Subscription Manager:                        Doug Bell -                                   doug@papermoneyworld.net
Tuesday Columnist :                            Joe Boling -                                   JoeBoling@aol.com
Thurski Columnist:                               Larry "Ski" Smulczenski -           skifla@prodigy.net
Friday Columnist:                                 Fred Schwan -                               MPCGram@yahoo.com
Critic:                                                      Harold Kroll -                                HARBONS@aol.com
Distribution Manager:                         Brad Peacock -                              bp22@swbell.net

Scholarship Coordinator:                    Marcus Turner -                           maturner@indy.rr.com
Index & Back Issue Manager:            Ed Beaman -                                  ebeaman@sprynet.com
    
Webmaster & Technical Advisors:   Doug Bell "Wiz" -                        doug@papermoneyworld.net
                                                                 Russ Walsh -                                russ.walsh@gte.net
Fact Checker:                                         Warner Talso -                            
Calendar Coordinator:                          John & Nancy Wilson -

The Boss:                                               Judy Schwan -